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> it a bit too idealistic and not pragmatic enough

This is an ideal programming language for certain types of people. It also gives the programming language certain properties that make it useful when provable correctness is a concern (see Ferrocene).



Last time I talked to the ferrocene people they had no plans to do anything with formal methods. Has their scope expanded?


Sorry, I didn't mean provable correctness as in using formal methods, I meant it in terms of far stronger compiler guarantees about especially things such as memory safety. I also personally find Rust code far more pleasant to write and to reason about compared to C/C++ because of how well-defined and consistent it is.


Maybe it was intended to refer to RustBelt.

I haven't been following their work, though. It seems they are working on stacked borrows.


> I haven't been following their work, though. It seems they are working on stacked borrows.

We're a few years past that, there's now 'tree borrows' which just had its paper published: https://www.ralfj.de/blog/2025/07/07/tree-borrows-paper.html




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