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>> If you are fortunate enough to live in a country which has free and fair elections, then vote.

> Those countries exist?

Yes. The US is one, others exist today as well.

> Where there are free and fair elections the politicians seem bought out by unchecked corporate interests.

Start by voting for the least objectionable politicians in the general election (local, state, and federal).

If you do not like those choices, remember this and vote in the primary (or primaries where allowed) for the least objectionable politicians.

If you do not like the choices in primaries, remember this and get involved in the selection process for the least objectionable political party.

Note the recurring theme of involvement in the representation process. Those who do not want you to have this type of agency spend a lot of money to disparage it.



>Those who do not want you to have this type of agency spend a lot of money to disparage it.

You just contradicted yourself. Do we have free and fair elections, or do we have a system whereby the wealthy have disproportionate influence? It's one or the other.


>> Those who do not want you to have this type of agency spend a lot of money to disparage it.

> You just contradicted yourself.

I did not. Please re-read what I wrote dispassionately.

> Do we have free and fair elections, or do we have a system whereby the wealthy have disproportionate influence? It's one or the other.

This is a false dichotomy[0]. The US has had free and fair elections for at least 40 years. I wish I could confidently state a longer period. Some might include the 70's but few would include much of the 60's.

What the wealthy do in attempt to convince people they do not have agency, or that their involvement in representative government does not matter, is orthogonal to having it. I humbly recommend contemplating the difference.

HTH

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma


You're begging the question with respect to what is "free" and "fair." The US is neither by any reasonable definition of these words.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

See, I can do that too.

In large part, people do not have that kind of agency, and telling them they do is deceptive liberal bullshit.


> You're begging the question with respect to what is "free" and "fair."

Free: there are no longer Jim Crow laws[0], such as voting poll taxes[1].

Fair: each eligible voter whom casts a vote in US elections has it included in the vote tally (see below).

> In large part, people do not have that kind of agency, and telling them they do is deceptive liberal bullshit.

Every eligible voter has the ability to cast their vote in one form or another. In extenuating circumstances, some votes will not be included. I am neither a constitutional nor civil rights lawyer, so will not attempt to clarify those situations beyond acknowledging they exist.

I will not further engage in this thread as my interpretation of your replies thus far is they are not based in intellectually honest discourse.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax


Insufficient definition.




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