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What in the cinnamon toast fuck. It's literally the meme about bombing middle eastern kids with pride flag drones.

Somebody please explain to the CIA we don't want performative wokie bullshit just for them to stop torturing black bagging and murdering and selling crack and abusing ppls rights.



If you squint hard enough, you can imagine a scenario where CIA actually wants to hire people with anxiety and other mood/psychological disorders to that they can be more easily controlled. It's Machiavellian but, well, this is CIA we're talking about.


The CIA is trying to hire young, college-educated people. They tend to skew fairly permissive on social issues.

Just to give you an idea of where the culture is: There's a defense industry "shitposting" subreddit that is full of younger, pro-America, pro defense industry types and its members would likely fit your definition of "woke". There's a whole group of them on twitter too tied in with the osint community.


The major defense contractors all have excellent diversity and equity ratings with e.g. the HRC. Transgender individuals are also much more common in the US military compared to the general population.


The irony of the "human right campaign" giving defense companies awards should tell you how much to value their opinions.

HRC regularly donates to anti LGBT republicans.

>Transgender individuals are also much more common in the US military compared to the general population.

Ok and? Both entities kill more LGBT people than they've employed or supported (changing Twitter profiles doesn't count as support).


> Both entities kill more LGBT people than they've employed

That would most likely be the result of intent persecution of LGBT.

This would be shocking coming from the US military or the general population.

Would you have any statistics or any objective, impartial observation documented that supports it?


They gave a for-profit prison company high Diversity, Inclusion and Equity rating and ESG score because they put murals of Martin Luther King in the prison. Monty Python would have been proud:

"The report, conducted by Moore & Van Allen, a North Carolina-based law firm, offered some room for improvement but largely applauded the private prison giant for its “genuine” commitment to diversity principles, including by raising cultural awareness with a mural of Martin Luther King Jr. at one of its Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention centers in Arizona."

https://theintercept.com/2022/06/27/esg-funds-corporate-resp...


r/NonCredibleDefense for anyone wondering


'woke' imperialism, what a joke


It's really just a side-effect of culture war victories. The US is an imperialist power and like all other imperialist powers it will project its zeitgeist out into the world.

If conservatives won the culture wars the CIA would be trying to hire Proud Boys and Jordan Peterson fans or whatever.

Go back 20 years when Evangelical Christianity was at its zenith of cultural power and what did we get? Two invasions of Muslim countries and paranoia that agnostics and atheists were national security liabilities because a hypothetical invading Muslim hoard would convert them to Islam (yes, this was actually a scenario bandied about in those circles) and recruit them to become terrorists.


I don't really buy your argument that the progressives won the culture wars.

Sure big business pretends to lean left because they want to appeal to a mass global audience but where have all the real wins been?

Roe vs Wade: gone, Gun reform: nonexistant, LGBTQ rights: put on notice.

Hell the left is back to wandering the woods again after the last election. All they have are "paper wins". Ie. rhetoric but no substance.

>Go back 20 years when Evangelical Christianity was at its zenith of cultural power and what did we get?

Was? You mean still is. The continued investment and growth of apartheid-Israel proves that.

Unless you have an argument for how Israel as it stands is on the way out, I don't buy that argument one bit.


Not the OP, but the OP was talking about culture wars, not legal wars.

I think this is a meaningful difference. There is a growing disconnect between the culture of both coasts and the law of the land, which tends to approximate the real balance of leftish/rightish viewpoints across the entire country.

Big business surely plays a lot of kabuki, but some of their statements and policies are sincere. Would major corporations allow you to carry your gun on your person during working hours, argue against abortion rights in a chitchat by the water cooler or even not use the correct pronouns when talking to your nonbinary coworker? Or would you be slapped down by the HR and possibly fired outright?


At a former company (very large and well known in Scala community), I had a friend reprimanded and warned for answering a question about guns in a way that showed he was knowledgeable. He was a competitive shooter for his hobby.


I disagree. I believe culture drives law long term. For example: The abolishment of slavery began as a movement where people(in the north and overseas) were disgusted with it way before before it led to legal reforms. The south played the same tricks that they are doing today. THe difference was that the control of the narrative led to meaningful action(ie. Lincoln ignoring the supreme court/threatening to impeach, Civil war etc.)

In recent times, the law has either gone fully right wing or is left wing but on shaky ground(depending on the issue).

>There is a growing disconnect between the culture of both coasts and the law of the land, which tends to approximate the real balance of leftish/rightish viewpoints across the entire country.

This is a result of people in the coasts saying they believe in something but not fully meaning it. Therefore they will not fight for it with all their might. The coasts are more populous, generate all the major economic growth, and as you said, control the narrative. Yet the rural areas are known as "Real America™". How is it that the coasts are continuously losing? It cannot be a grand conspiracy. They just don't really want it. With that you can make the argument: Does the left 'really' control the narrative if the action behind that narrative does not really exist?


If you truly don't believe that progessives won the culture war, try being slightly to the right of Bill Maher anywhere on campus, in entertainment, in media, in your workplace or on twitter...


Ok so right wingers get occasionally harassed in some left wing areas. That is a response to the fact that right wingers have continually made progress while the left has gotten nothing really concrete(again: row vs wade: lost, lgbtq rights: in danger, gun reform: nonexistent).

Culture drives law long term and so its difficult to admit that the culture war has been won by the left if they keep losing everything except the conversation which clearly does not matter in the long term if it results in no meaningful change.


The woke empire under Obama bombed more than 7 new muslim and non-white countries.

The neocons are called neocons because they were Democrats who joined George W Bush and then went back to being Democrats again. Best example is Victoria Nuland from the Kagan "bomb every muslim country" family. See also the Ledeen doctrine:

"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business," which Goldberg remembered Ledeen saying in an early 1990s speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen#:~:text=This%20....


The neocons left the Democrats for Ronald Reagan.


> If conservatives won the culture wars the CIA would be trying to hire Proud Boys and Jordan Peterson fans or whatever.

People's personal gender choices, which affect nobody, are not comparable to groups that promote violence, disruption, and the overthrow of the democratically elected government.



If you want them to stop doing that you do in fact want them to hire more people who would be against it, otherwise it's going to be all Mormons. (they're the best at getting clearances)


Its the magic underwear and the fact that they literally think black people are evil (I'm not exaggerating its in the religion)


> the fact that they literally think black people are evil (I'm not exaggerating its in the religion)

Not anymore: https://www.alternet.org/2013/12/mormon-church-dark-skin-sig...


Hey its a positive change, although I do hope that old timers aren't teaching young ones about the older way of thinking.


So performative outrage and derogatory slander of people you disagree with. In other words, there is no substance at all for your claim.


where does '(metaphorical) bombing middle eastern kids' come into it? Where are middle eastern kids mentioned? What drones? WTF did you just watch or did you make stuff up?

It's just about a trans person saying "it's ok to be me" (irritating shit and no-one cares, good luck to her, but that's all it is). Nothing else.


> It's just about a trans person saying "it's ok to be me" (irritating shit and no-one cares, good luck to her, but that's all it is).

What is irritating about it? There's clearly a large problem with abuse of trans people, a serious issue of physical, social, and career safety. Why shouldn't someone address that issue? Why the F should that irritate you?


There is a problem with {trans, homo, etc}-phobia. But this made a point of this person being trans for some cheesy inclusivity. None of the trans people I know talk about being trans, or wish to talk about it. No-one I've ever worked for would judge against someone for being trans.

In a sense, it's a solved problem - once crappy publicity videos like this can be produced, the battle has largely already been won, or the video would never have been produced.

I suppose the over-produced slickness of this, with it's almost zero contenet annoys me.




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