>There's a possibility the programmer who did the masters was simply unable to get a job after his BSc.
Yeah, that would skew the data completely. Especially if you don't stratify by institution.
>You can't expect college hires to be productive on day one.
To be clear, I don't disagree with this, I'm just looking at it from the persective of employers. Why hire them if you need to retain them for a year or two before they're worth the salary? You need to pump money into them that whole time? Just hire people with experience to begin with.
But like, that's also where this debate normally goes and I think it's the less important point: the bigger issue is the credential is not preparing graduates properly. People should be angry about that, and demand it changes. They should be told that up front, before they purchase.
>the best engineers simply disappear. FAANGs hire them and they basically never actively look for a job after that
This is interesting. I hadn't thought about it in these terms.
Everyone tries. That's why you see entry level positions with 2-3 years experience requirements and entry level pay. Of course, these stay empty for years since nobody bites!
To get someone with experience in a reasonable amount of time takes money. Also, keep in mind that the engineers with 2 years of experience might be looking for an other job because of performance issues at their current one. Those who are learning fast and getting promoted aren't looking around.
>the bigger issue is the credential is not preparing graduates properly
The most important skill is really how fast someone can learn. I've always said it's harder to learn CS fundamentals than the tools and practical aspect of software. Someone who is comfortable with graphs and trees should be able to figure out git pretty fast. Someone who rote learned git commands and knows one workflow might not be able to figure out graphs that easily.
>This is interesting. I hadn't thought about it in these terms.
It's actually worse than that. With internships some engineers are off the market a few years before they even graduate. And then accept a full time offer with a 4 years vesting schedule that makes it incredibly hard to poach them.
>There's a possibility the programmer who did the masters was simply unable to get a job after his BSc.
Yeah, that would skew the data completely. Especially if you don't stratify by institution.
>You can't expect college hires to be productive on day one.
To be clear, I don't disagree with this, I'm just looking at it from the persective of employers. Why hire them if you need to retain them for a year or two before they're worth the salary? You need to pump money into them that whole time? Just hire people with experience to begin with.
But like, that's also where this debate normally goes and I think it's the less important point: the bigger issue is the credential is not preparing graduates properly. People should be angry about that, and demand it changes. They should be told that up front, before they purchase.
>the best engineers simply disappear. FAANGs hire them and they basically never actively look for a job after that
This is interesting. I hadn't thought about it in these terms.