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You'd need tremendous amounts of engineering for all those not to suck. And engineering that's done by really experienced people. Too bad that people desiging the "smart" part are from the same IT industry that thinks 3 or 5 years of experience qualifies as "senior".


Can I quote you from another post?

> It's not really that difficult to learn six languages to a level of using them professionally. I've seen it happen. [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16458513


Oh, of course you can quote me. Though you should also explain how is this particular quote of any relevance here.


I believe using a language "professionally" means being senior. Which is different from having a profession where you use said language.

On the one hand you're arguing you can't become "Senior" in 5 years, but at the same time you can become professional with 6 languages with little effort.


Your definition doesn't make sense. I've been labeled a "Senior Software Engineer". Does that mean that any time I write code in any language I'm using it professionally, while people who have been paid to write the same language for years but don't have senior in their title aren't using it professionally?


How about "Senior Pascal Developer". Does that make sense?

Professional: "a person who is expert at his or her work". Are you an expert with every language?

> people who have been paid to write the same language for years but don't have senior in their title

Are they experts with the language / framework / tools?


> How about "Senior Pascal Developer". Does that make sense?

So are you saying I should have a different job title for every language I use?

> Are they experts with the language / framework / tools?

So you agree that being proficient in a language is a separate issue from job title?


From Wikipedia:

"A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity."


Also from wikipedia, the second sentence:

"The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession."

Also from wikipedia, the second paragraph:

"In some cultures, the term is used as shorthand to describe a particular social stratum of well-educated workers who enjoy considerable work autonomy and who are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work."

Can we please stop this nonsense now?


The paragraphs you've pasted say absolutely nothing about the seniority of said professionals. And there is no indication that we're using the term as the described shorthand.


You can be a professional developer that is on junior level.


"Professionals have standards"




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