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The most depressing thing about this is that this abusive mode of working started by apple and Amazon seems to be winning. I don't see how this is sustainable - while it leads to probably good business results - how many relationships is it destroying and how many children are going unparented? Amazon in general seems like a net loss for society.


Apple employees are not abused like this. They're siloed, secretive, and they work hard -- but it's not like this.


It really depends on which team you're working on. There's plenty of toxicity to go around


Apple doesn't operate like this at all. You are confusing Steve Jobs personal behavior with the company culture.


No, Apple is known to be a bad employer too - http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-employees-confess-all-t...


You do realize that Business Insider is part owned by Jeff Bezos?


So, do you think Jeff Bezos himself coerced all of those quotes out of ex-Apple employees? You do realize that Business Insider also wrote an article entitled "Why Working At Apple Is A Dream Job"?

Nevermind those articles though - one need only to look at Apple's involvement in the recent high-tech employee anti-trust to see that they're a bad employer.


If you knew about that second business insider article, why did you reference the only the first unless to deliberately justify a biased point of view?


I didn't know about it before I posted the first one? However, I'm absolutely positive that the quotes from ex-Apple employees are not made up, so does it really matter who published them?

And I don't have a biased point of view because I don't work for any of these companies and I'd never want to. The positive-spin article is an opinion piece. But besides all that - the lawsuit speaks for itself, don't you think?

Plenty of other articles back me up on this, going back for ages (since the 90s). Here's another recent one - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jordan-price/why-i-quit-my-job...


The lawsuit has nothing whatsoever to do with company culture so it speaks to nothing.


I didn't hear an argument in there, but obviously I disagree with your conclusion - it absolutely speaks volumes.

Steve Jobs is largely responsible for creating the culture at Apple, so please explain how it does not reflect on their culture when he is accused of scheming against employees?

Do you really want to work at a place that has a culture that includes scheming against employees?


'Scheming against employees' is a generalization that you have made up and is not part of the accusation. Generalizing in this way is a fallacy.

To show how absurd this fallacy is, let me apply your logic to Google:

"Some Googler's have been injured at work. Therefore Google is a place that injures employees. Do you really want to work at a place that has a culture that includes injuring employees?"




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