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There is no such thing as "non-lethal" bullets. A bean bag round can kill you. The riot control paraphernalia is less-lethal than traditional firearms.

Nothing you've said here is wrong, but maybe for some the wood accent really does affect an aesthetic to the experience. You're talking about objective measures of signals, the warm wood people are talking about subjective experience.

You should absolutely not try to apply dehumanization metrics to things that are not human. That in and of itself dehumanizes all real humans implicitly, diluting the meaning. Over-humanizing, as you call it, is indistinguishable from dehumanization of actual humans.

That's a strange argument. How does me humanizing my cat (for example) dehumanize you?

Either human is a special category with special privileges or it isn’t. If it isn’t, the entire argument is pointless. If it is, expanding the definition expands those privileges, and some are zero sum. As a real, current example, FEMA uses disaster funds to cover pet expenses for affected families. Since those funds are finite, some privileges reserved for humans are lost. Maybe paying for home damages. Maybe flood insurance rates go up. Any number of things, because pets were considered important enough to warrant federal funds.

It’s possible it’s the right call, but it’s definitely a call.

Source: https://www.avma.org/pets-act-faq


If you're talking about humans being a special category in the legal sense, then that ship sailed away thousands of years ago when we started defining Legal Personhood, no?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_person


Yeah, none of this is new. I’m just saying we should acknowledge what we’re doing.

I did not mean to imply you should not anthropomorphize your cat for amusement. But making moral judgements based on humanizing a cat is plainly wrong to me.

Interesting, would you mind giving an example of what kind of moral judgement based on humanizing a cat you would find objectionable?

It's a silly example, but if my cat were able to speak and write decent code, I think that I really would be upset that a github maintainer rejected the PR because they only allow humans.

On a less silly note, I just did a bit of a web search about the legal personhood of animals across the world and found this interesting situation in India, whereby in 2013 [0]:

> the Indian Ministry of Environment and Forests, recognising the human-like traits of dolphins, declared dolphins as “non-human persons”

Scholars in India in particular [1], and across the world have been seeking to have better definition and rights for other non-human animal persons. As another example, there's a US organization named NhRP (Nonhuman Rights Project) that just got a judge in Pennsylvania to issue a Habeas Corpus for elephants [2].

To be clear, I would absolutely agree that there are significant legal and ethical issues here with extending these sorts of right to non-humans, but I think that claiming that it's "plainly wrong" isn't convincing enough, and there isn't a clear consensus on it.

[0] https://www.thehindu.com/features/kids/dolphins-get-their-du...

[1] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3777301

[2] https://www.nonhumanrights.org/blog/judge-issues-pennsylvani...


To be fair, it is basically one and the same. I doubt most people railing against capitalism are actually against private property. They probably dislike corporatism which only exists as an extension of the government. Very very few of us voluntarily gave up our right to hold people personally responsible for their actions, but this is forced on everyone on behalf of business interests. The corporate vale is materialized from government alone.

> I doubt most people railing against capitalism are actually against private property. They probably dislike corporatism which only exists as an extension of the government.

I really don't know. In my experience, it can about private property when talking about housing, it is about markets when talking salaries and work conditions, and it's just about having no idea of what capitalism even is and just vaguely pointing at economics the vast majority of the time.

"Capitalism" can be safely replaced with "the illuminati" or "Chem trails" in the vast majority of complaints I hear and read and the message would ultimately make as much sense. There's not a lot of how or why capitalism doesn't work, but by God there sure is a lot of what it seemingly does wrong.


You are displaying your ignorance with pride.

Just because you don't know what capitalism is, doesn't mean other people do not know.

Just because you only read sources from capitalist media platforms doesn't mean there isn't a lot of "how" or "why" capitalism doesn't work.

My main message was about the profit motive incentivizing the creation of addictions for the profit of tech companies. The invisible hand may expand the development of tech, but the visible hand needs to make people addicted and unhappy.

Think a little before you speak, please. Or read a little more.


As bad as things are, the excesses of capitalism pale in comparison to the excesses of communism or fascism. If you have a better system, please present it to the class.

Capitalism is known to have killed multiple billions world-wide.

Nearly all of the poor countries on earth are capitalist. World war 1 was a war of capitalist reorganization, Fascism was a capitalist economic system, therefore WW2 was initiated by capitalist nations. Nearly all wars being fought today are all fought by capitalists on both sides of the conflict. The poorest countries on earth are capitalists. Drug cartels are organization of drug manufacturing and transporting capitalists. Capitalist nations are proven to be the most corrupt countries on earth.

Capitalism has a vested interest in making nations poor for the sake of maximizing profits in resource extraction. Capitalism has waged more war and caused more destruction than any system before it and its only been around for ~400 years.

You really want me to believe that the system that makes money from doing heinous shit is good?

Look into the primary sources behind the things you believe to be true about communism. Many, many are very shaky and were just "cold" war propaganda pieces. I've done exactly that to come to my conclusions.

What I know to be communism, through research, and reading of primary sources, is just the natural conclusion of the democratization of society. People controlling the production they need through councils that they themselves organize into a peoples state.


This post perfectly proves my point, to which you replied "You are displaying your ignorance with pride.".

"Fascism was a capitalist economic system" or "Capitalism has waged more war and caused more destruction than any system before" are utterly ridiculous, evidently false statements. The only way you can ever say these things with a straight face is if you don't have the least idea of what capitalism even is.


I think you may be very shocked when you find out that you are wrong.

Fascism was an ideology developed by capitalist industrialists, specifically steel trusts in Germany. But had its birth amongst financiers in Italy. Henry Ford was a big proponent of fascism. Fascism did not undo any private property relations, it simply was a single party capitalist state. Ownership of companies was still private. If you were not ideologically or ethnically in line your property was taken away and given to someone who was. Any elimination of property rights specifically only applied to the political opposition, which is in line with repressive capitalism, not with socialism.

The control of market dynamics and labor was for the purposes of war and murder, not an ideological component of fascism. A similar thing happened in all countries who were at war: rationing, price controls, labor allocation, etc, but still capitalists.

The axis was specifically an anti-communist alliance through the anticomintern pact. They specifically wanted to uphold private property.

The ONLY reason that one German country had socialist in their name was to fool the masses. It was to appeal to the masses.

WW1 and WW2 were both started by capitalism. And most wars on going right now, feb 2026, are waged by capitalists factions on both sides.

The figures of death attributed to communism are widely known by academics to be absurdly and unscientifically inflated. The black book of communism is not considered history by historians. The gulag archipelago is not considered history by hostorians.

Why dont you see the black book of capitalism anywhere? There are millions of excuses for every death under capitalism. But there are billions of deaths under capitalism... and counting.

You may think I got here through some sort of unhinged bias or just wanting to go against the grain, but no, I got here through asking myself all these questions sincerely and researching them.


Do you mean "private property" or "personal property"? These are not the same thing, and those who want to scaremonger about non-capitalist modes of production like to conflate the two.

Can you explain the difference instead of just alluding to some supposed scaremongering?

You've never heard someone say "under communism, private property isn't allowed, so you have to share a toothbrush?" I heard that nonsense all the time growing up.

Your toothbrush and clothing are personal property. The family farm is private property.


The full term is private property over the means of production.

The family farm would only fall into that category if youre employing others for profit.

If you're working yourself on it, there is no real social function to it.


Nah, you're trying to misconstrue people.

Corporatism is not a thing. Capitalists hold fundamental power over society, they collectively are the state.

They own the things the rest of the people need to survive. Assuming you are a worker/proletariat: Can you survive right now, today, without interacting with a capitalist entity?

Can you make your living as in food, money, housing, etc, right now, solely from your own property? Statistically not. Capitalists own most of what you require.

"Corporatism" is just capitalism. Capitalists use their media platforms to say the government oppresses them equally to us. When it is proven time and time and time again that they have almost total control and influence over the government.

And you buy the narrative.

There is no "pure capitalism", bro. Capitalism will ALWAYS evolve into this. It's baked into the rules. This is very plain to see.

Go to any main news platform, of any country, on the side of any political wing, of any other capitalist nation on earth and type "corruption" in the corresponding language. You'll be met with a flood of articles.

I am against private property of production, because I know the people who need said production can also democratically run it.


> Nah, you're trying to misconstrue people.

Informing me of my nefarious intentions is a pretty rude way to begin a comment, even if you fancy it a rebuttal.


Because many people railing against capitalism actually dislike private property over production and think it carries many ills.

Since that was the bulk of your argument that was the summary of my statement, which I opened with. You conveniently ignored the rest of what I said.


> Can you make your living as in food, money, housing, etc, right now, solely from your own property? Statistically not. Capitalists own most of what you require.

You can't survive from your own property in a communist society either because the state own all of it. Instead of power accruing in the hands of a few capitalists, it accrues in the hands of a few politicians/dictators. What's the fundamental difference here? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


This is false and not at all what I have researched and back as a communist.

In a communist society YOU control production through democracy. The whole point is for the people to be their own governing force. That is why communists mention "state control", but another, ultra important aspect that is conveniently not mentioned by capitalist propaganda, is council democracy.

You are your local state. You and your neighbors organized in a council form your local state.

You and your neighbors make sure that no single individual or minority controls your production.

YOU and your neighbors form your own executive, legislative and judicial branches.

This is in reality what communist literature is about. The american mind cannot comprehend democracy, i swear.

And if system were to results in a small group of people holding power and using production to make money, well, that would a capitalist system. Words have meaning.

Democracy is not based on trust, like the political system we have right now. Don't trust me, do your own god damned research. Don't trust millionaire connected politicians either. And don't trust capitalist media either. Democracy is based on control.


You are what you do. If you want to develop your empathy, spend time/energy consciously trying to put yourself in the shoes of others. Eventually, you will not have to apply so much deliberate effort. Same way most things work.

Much like DRM, there is no good option. Its a fundamentally bad thing. If parents want to abdicate their parental responsibilities, their children should bare the cost of that, not millions of strangers.

> If parents want to abdicate their parental responsibilities, their children should bare the cost of that, not millions of strangers.

Oh but we all will. One way or another. There is a least bad option.


I guess my point would be that it is impossible to simulate raising a child. Sometimes least worst == worst. Huge wide spread cost with vanishing little practical benefit.

While we're architecting the lives of millions of strangers what other reasonable things would you personally like to disallow?

Terrorists, drugs, the children, future excuse for the panopticon.

Wiretapping predates all of these sort of arguments. Wiretapping was invented at basically the same time that telephones themselves were and was underway for decades before the law even began to take note; the first major legal development in this regard was the Supreme Court saying cops could do it without a warrant in 1928 (they already had been the entire time.)

While that is interesting from a historical perspective, does it inform on the myriad of excuses trotted out for these abuses today?

I've had single prompt to Opus consume as many as 13 premium messages. The Copilot harness is so gimped so they can abstract tokens from messages. Every person that started with Copilot that I know that tried CC were amazed at the power difference. Stepping out of a golf cart and into <your favorite fast car>.

It hasn't done that to me. It's worked according to their docs:

> Copilot Chat uses one premium request per user prompt, multiplied by the model's rate.

> Each prompt to Copilot CLI uses one premium request with the default model. For other models, this is multiplied by the model's rate.

> Copilot coding agent uses one premium request per session, multiplied by the model's rate. A session begins when you ask Copilot to create a pull request or make one or more changes to an existing pull request.

https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/concepts/billing/copilot-...


Sorry, I should have specified this was with GHC CLI. I suppose that might not behave similarly to the GUI extension. But it definitely happened on Thursday. One prompt, ctrl-c out and it said 13 premium messages used. It was reading a couple of large files and Opus doesn't seem to let the harness restrict it from reading entire files... just a couple hundred lines at a time.

and now I see your comment mentions that explicitly. The output was quite unambiguous. :shrug:


Hey! I'm a PM on the Copilot CLI team. This sounds like a bug, we should follow the same premium request scheme as the VSCode extension! If you still have the session logs kicking around, can you email them to me? It's my hn username @github.com

Why not? I definitely consider cameras recording our every move in public to be spying/surveillance. It is one thing for a person to see something in public. Quite another to have automated systems recording and analyzing everything for all time.

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