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No, the start was a lot time ago.

AI is passive consumption cosplaying as productivity. Any place where humans have to do something is a bug in the product.

Of course it's going to be damaging to places where people actually want to craft things.


Ok, but I am using ChatGPT and Claude to develop usable products five times faster than if I had developed them myself.

ai is slop and thats the consensus here for some reason. even before looking at the code, it MUST be slop. its why i have no time for anyone harking on about the evils of social media (for kids and somehow not adults) yet telling me this on, guess what, social media.

I don't understand your point and how it relates to my comment.

Which statistics are you looking at? Crime has been dropping since the 90s, with the exception of short term regressions.

https://jasher.substack.com/p/crime-is-likely-down-an-enormo...


You do realize these are still crap compared to other countries right?

Small rich counties with vast majority homogeneous populations?

Agreed, the world overall is pretty safe these days.

If you’re being sarcastic, well, congratulate yourself for being better than shitholes I guess.

If you’re not, yes it is, unfortunately same can’t be said about the U.S., where my not very large social circle have experienced robbery at gun point at a gas station, street mugging, home break-in with everything stolen, smashed car window, all within the past decade. I was more fortunate but still got my bike stolen.


Steal? You mean at gunpoint? Or did these people want to leave of their own free will, and take a chance they were given?

The analogy you're making is that wiring a taskrabbit to assemble Ikea furniture is woodworking.

There's a market for Ikea. It's put woodworkers out of business, effectively. The only woodworkers that make reasonable wages from their craft are influencers. Their money comes from YouTube ads.

There's no shame in just wanting things without going to the effort of making them.


Love this extension of the analogy, particularly. Especially because, like a woodworker inspecting IKEA assembled by a taskrabbit, the craftsmanship of a finished product becomes less and less impressive the longer you inspect it

> For my whole life I’ve been trying to make things—beautiful elegant things.

Why did you stop? Because, you realize, LLMs are giving up the process of creating for the immediacy of having. It's paying someone to make for you.

Things are more convenient if you live the dream of the LLM, and hire a taskrabbit to run your wood shop. But it's not you that's making.


There's undefined behavior, which is quite well specified. What do you mean by unspecified behavior? Do you have an example?


If you put a brick on the accelerator of a car and hop out, you don't get to say "I wasn't even in the car when it hit the pedestrian".


This is true for bricks, but it is not true if your dog starts up your car and hits a pedestrian. Collisions caused by non-human drivers are a fascinating edge case for the times we're in.


It is very much true for dogs in that case: (1) it is your dog (2) it is your car (3) it is your responsibility to make sure your car can not be started by your dog (4) the pedestrian has a reasonable expectation that a vehicle that is parked without a person in it has been made safe to the point that it will not suddenly start to move without an operator in it and dogs don't qualify.

You'd lose that lawsuit in a heartbeat.


what if your car was parked in a normal way that a reasonable person would not expect to be able to be started by a dog, but the dog did several things that no reasonable person would expect and started it anyway?


You can 'what if' this until the cows come home but you are responsible, period.

I don't know what kind of drivers education you get where you live but where I live and have lived one of the basic bits is that you know how to park and lock your vehicle safely and that includes removing the ignition key (assuming your car has one) and setting the parking brake. You aim the wheels at the kerb (if there is one) when you're on an incline. And if you're in a stick shift you set the gear to neutral (in some countries they will teach you to set the gear to 1st or reverse, for various reasons).

We also have road worthiness assessments that ensure that all these systems work as advertised. You could let a pack of dogs loose in my car in any external circumstance and they would not be able to move it, though I'd hate to clean up the interior afterwards.


I agree. The dog smashed the window, hot–wired the ignition, released the parking brake, shifted to drive, and turned the wheel towards the opposite side of the road where a mother was pushing a stroller, killing the baby. I know, crazy right, but I swear I'm not lying, the neighbor caught it on camera.

Who's liable?

I think this would be a freak accident. Nobody would be liable.


Your analogy has long since ceased to have any illuminating power, because it involves things that are straight up impossible.


You would not be guilty of a crime, because that requires intent.

But you would be liable for civil damages, because that does not. There are multiple theories for which to establish liability, but most likely this would be treated as negligence.


What was I negligent about?


Well at that point we might as well say it's gremlins that you summoned, so who knows, there are no laws about gremlins hot-wiring cars. If you summoned them, are they _your_ gremlins, or do they have their own agency. How guilty are you, really... At some point it becomes a bit silly to go into what-if scenarios, it helps to look at exact cases.


> I agree. The dog smashed the window, hot–wired the ignition, > released the parking brake, shifted to drive, and turned the > wheel towards the opposite side of the road where a mother was > pushing a stroller, killing the baby. I know, crazy right, but > I swear I'm not lying, the neighbor caught it on camera.

> Who's liable?

You are. It's still your dog. If you would replace dog with child the case would be identical (but more plausible). This is really not as interesting as you think it is. The fact that you have a sentient dog is going to be laughed out of court and your neighbor will be in the docket together with you for attempting to mislead the court with your AI generated footage. See, two can play at that.

When you make such ridiculously contrived examples turnaround is fair play.


Found the annoying kid in my lawschool class


You're stretching it. It's more like if you train your dog to start the car and accelerate, open the door and turn your back.

Everything an AI does is downstream of deliberate, albeit imperfect, training.

You know this, you rig it all up and you let things happen.


Legally, in a lot of jurisdictions, a dog is just your property. What it does, you did, usually with presumed intent or strict liability.


What if you planted a bush that attracted a bat that bit a child?


What if you have an email in your inbox warning you that 1) this specific bush attracts bats and 2) there were in fact bats seen near you bush and 3) bats were observed almost biting a child before. And you also have "how do I fuck up them kids by planting a bush that attracts bats" in your browser history. It's a spectrum you know.


Well, if it was a bush known to also attract children, it was on your property, and the child was in fact attracted by it and also on your property, and the presence of the bush created the danger of bat bites, the principal of “attractive nuisance” is in play.


what if my auntie had wheels, would she be a wagon?


Would a reasonable person typically consider this an act that risk causing harm to kids?


In the USA, at least, it seems pet owners are liable for any harm their pets do.


Being guilty != Being responsible

They correlate, but we must be careful not to mistake one for the other. The latter is a lower bar.


I don’t know where you from but at least in Sweden you have strict liability for anything your dog does


I'm dubious, do you have any examples of this happening?


Prima facie negligence = liability


With all due respect, that's all the more reason to put all the resources they can behind browser development, rather than scattering it across unrelated projects.


As long as you respect the NO_COLOR variable, it will work for me.

https://no-color.org/


That's a funny example. I have no issues with the idea of course but in my day to day life I'm way more likely to encounter an issue with colors being lost after sent to a pager or a log file or tee or what not


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