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Can you let me name sub-areas? In some places there are unincorporated towns which aren’t showing on the map and aren’t nameable but locals would recognize and like to rename them. My entire county has 1 official city but lots of smaller areas.

I rendered this map from the OSM source with some filters so some locations could be excluded. Anyway, I can manually add any locations. Please write to me via the contact form with a list of locations to add

Very true. The trueness to the original text is lacking in KJV, which is the major argument against that translation. It is more written to be old English proper prose than meaningfully translated. Modern translations like ESV are much closer to source, although hard to read compared against others like NIV and NLT which are written for comprehension.

Hmm I’ve always heard that the KJV isn’t perfect but it is closer to the ESV than the NIV. These three charts suggest this[1]. I do know there are places where the KJV isn’t faithful to the sources, such as in the use of the word Easter for Passover in Acts 12:4.

It is a pretty translation, but harder to follow in my experience. I only use the KJV when talking with other denominations because it is more readily accepted than my favorite (NASB85).

[1] https://www.chapter3min.org/bible-translations-comparison-ch...


Oh interesting I thought KJV was more like NIV. Looks like it’s closer to meaning than I assumed. Nice article.

Why does Discord allow a server for a botnet owner?

There's servers where they just hang out, but which themselves are legitimate. Cybersecurity related ones etc. You can ban them and they'll just switch to another account within a minute. Occasionally discord or a server owner does, but everyone knows its pointless. There's probably other servers that are mostly used by cybercriminals, maybe command-and-control backups, and security researchers may stumble upon these when taking some malware apart, join them, and end up getting in contact with the owner.

In general I don't think law enforcement wants discord to take these down or ban them. These guys would have no problem to just make some IRC servers or whatever to hang out on instead, which would be much harder to surveil for law enforcement - compared to discord just forwarding them everything said by those accounts and on those servers.


Discord has a lot of terrible servers. This is one of the reasons they were not trusted when they came out and wanted to do identity verification. They already have a lot of information yet fail to do meaningful enforcement at scale.

Only a couple years ago the outrage was that Discord was too eagerly banning servers and users.

I know several people whose Discord accounts were banned because they participated in a server that later had some talk of illegal activities in one of the channels. There are similar stories all over Reddit.


If a Walmart has ~100 people in it and wants to get rid of 4 shoplifters but really sucks at selecting them well then the likely result is 4 normal people are very upset while all of the shoplifters are still there.

In the same scenario, even if Walmart is right about who they ejected 75% of the time then they still have ~1 shoplifter remaining and ~1 very upset person.

Even in an ideal world where Walmart is right about ejection 100% of the time it doesn't mean they start receiving 0 new shoplifters either, it just means the number of people wrongly made upset is 0.

Discord's problem (on both ends) lies in lack of depth in investigating bans. It takes resources to review when someone shouldn't be banned and it takes resources to make sure you ban everybody. Putting too low of resources into banning just means that both sides of the scale manage to get tipped in the wring direction at the same time.


Two things can be true at once. They can ban normal things too much and ban bad things too little.

Ever tried to ban a botnet owner from a service they want to use?

It’s basically impossible. They have money, IPs, identities, anything you could possibly want to evade.


It would be pretty funny if the age verification stuff blocked some of these folks.

Discord age verification is only for content filters, adult-themed servers, and a few other features.

They aren’t requiring age verification for everyone to join servers and chat. The headlines and panic really got away from the actual story.


They are rich in regard to the tools needed to abuse services haha.

If you just look at the messages in those kinds of discords. It's blatant. They aren't even trying to hide it.

Why wouldn't they? There are Discord servers about anything you can imagine and also what you can't or don't want to image. As long as they don't start disrupting their infra Discord couldn't care less.

Also, how would you even go about classifying them as botnet operators?


I imagine because banning these things is both whack-a-mole and like finding a needle in a hay stack.

botnet owners don't typically come forwards and say they are trying to run a botnet, so there may be some difficulty in detecting them there.

A MAU is a MAU... They likely use relatively little computing capability while making numbers look really good...

botnet owners dying typically come forwards and say they are trying to run a botnet, so there may be some difficulty there.

Walmart has a toggle explicitly for product review emails. I have toggled it off. I still get weekly review emails. I now make it my mission to give 1 star to every product they email me about with a note that their unsubscribe is broken.

Once, their CSR “escalated” my issue, but I never heard back. If you work in Walmart engineering, please fix the review unsubscribe.


If anyone ever prompts me for a review or leaves a "rebate for review" card in the box, they get 1 star.

Walmart should also fix where someone can create an account with someone else's email address (no email address validation).

Roughly how much does it cost to run one of the popular benchmarks? Are we talking $1,000, $10,000, or $100k?

Oh it's more time that's the issue - each benchmark takes 1-3 hours ish to run on 8 GPUs, so running on all quants per model release can be quite painful.

Assume AWS spot say $20/hr B200 for 8 GPUs, then $20 ish per quant, so assuming benchmark is on BF16, 8bit, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 bits then 7 ish tests so $140 per model ish to $420 ish/hr. Time wise 7 hours to 1 day ish.

We could run them after a model release which might work as well.

This is also on 1 benchmark.


It’s because the higher you are in the chain of corporate command, the less time you have to dedicate to each task. You end up with shorter answers to every note because you wouldn’t have time to reply to all notes and do the strategic things you need to do, otherwise.

As an individual contributor on a team, you may have to interface at most with 30 people on a weekly basis. As a second line leader you may have 150 people under your purview, and another 50 outsiders you have to talk to. You can’t scale the amount of time you have, so you scale the amount of time you spend on replies.


Using the example from the article: "K let circle back nxt week bout it . thnks"

I'm not buying your argument. The amount of additional time that it would have taken to write that same message with proper grammar and spelling is minuscule.


typed on a phone, so unlikely to have been at the office.

You have to deliberately turn off autocorrection on most phones

I hare auto correct. It ducks me over all the time.

I'm not sure that's a literal quote from their boss. It seems to be an illustrative example, probably exaggerated.

That depends on your typing ability. My mother only looks up at the end of the sentence to see if she hit all the right keys.

The boss was following Strunk & White's advice to omit needless letters.

You must be referring to the abridged Strnk n Wyt

Shorter answers don't necessitate terrible grammar. Maybe it's because my mom was a teacher and I had good grammar drilled into me, but I feel like it shows respect for the people you're communicating with.

> respect for the people you're communicating with

That is exactly why executive grammar is so bad.


That doesn't explain the "punctuating with multiple cryface emojis".

Incredible. I’m going to try this. Everyone at work codes to ZSH so I am always manually translating their snippets when I paste them in.

Sadly Reddit hasn’t been meaningfully replaced yet. It’s a place filled with of censorship, power hungry mods, arbitrary rules, and groupthink to the extreme. I long for an alternative. Something civil like HN and community like Reddit.


I miss the decentralized web and phpBB forums. If you didn't like one community, it was super easy to find one you did.


Lemmy is a federated reddit-like community that anyone can host themselves. Here's one of the top servers:

https://lemmy.world/communities?listingType=All&sort=TopMont...


A lot of traditional forums are still active. :)

Just the hype seeking people left to Discord and Reddit to be able to lament about how these new places are awful and crying about phpBB and vbuletin being dead.


Traditional forums may not have grown as much as social media, but they’re definitely still alive and vibrant.

And honestly, higher quality conversations and community than Reddit and discord.


Must have just been the ones I liked that died. Will have to go looking

We'll see how the future unfolds. Until then, I have plenty of other things to do. And I bet you do too :P


Such as it is I can’t think of any other forum even close to Reddit. HN is civil because of solid moderation and “censorship”.


Bolstering your point, check out the comments in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1qy9dcs/who_has_compl...

There’s a lot of unwillingness to even attempt to try the tools.


Those people are absolutely going to get left in the dust. In the hands of a skilled dev, these things are massive force multipliers.


That's one of the sentiments I don't quite grasp, though. Why can't they just learn the tools when they're stable? So far it's been sooo many changes in workflows, basically relearn the tools every three months. It's maybe a bit more stabilized the last year, but still one could spend an enormous amount of time twiddling with various models or tools, knowledge that someone else probably could learn quicker at a later time.

"Being left in the dust" would also mean it's impossible for new people / graduates to ever catch up. I don't think it is. Even though I learned react a few years after it was in vogue (my company bet on the wrong horse), I quickly got up to speed and am just as productive now as someone that started a bit earlier.


Not the person you asked, but my interpretation of “left in the dust” here (not a phrasing I particularly agree with) would be the same way iOS development took off in the 2010s.

There was a land rush to create apps. Basic stuff like the flash light, todo lists, etc, were created and found a huge audience. Development studios were established, people became very successful out of it.

I think the same thing will happen here. There is a first mover advantage. The future is not yet evenly distributed.

You can still start as an iOS developer today, but the opportunity is different.


I’m not sure your analogy is applicable here.

The introduction of the App Store did not increase developer productivity per se. If anything, it decreased developer productivity, because unless you were already already a Mac developer, you had to learn a programming language you've never used, Objective-C, (now it's largely Swift, but that's still mainly used only on Apple platforms) and a brand new Apple-specific API, so a lot of your previous programming expertise became obsolete on a new platform. What the App Store did that was valuable to developers was open up a new market and bring a bunch of new potential customers, iPhone users, indeed relatively wealthy customers willing to spend money on software.

What new market is brought by LLMs? They can produce as much source code as you like, but how exactly do you monetize that massive amount of source code? If anything, the value of source code and software products will drop as more is able to be produced rapidly.

The only new market I see is actually the developer tool market for LLM fans, essentially a circular market of LLM developers marketing to other LLM developers.

As far as the developer job market is concerned, it's painfully clear that companies are in a mass layoff mood. Whether that's due to LLMs, or whether LLMs are just the cover story, the result is the same. Developer compensation is not on the rise, unless you happen to be recruited by one of the LLM vendors themselves.

My impression is that from the developer perspective, LLMs are a scheme to transfer massive amounts of wealth from developers to the LLM vendors. And you can bet the prices for access to LLMs will go up, up, up over time as developers become hooked and demand increases. To me, the whole "OpenClaw" hype looks like a crowd of gamblers at a casino, putting coins in slot machines. One thing is for certain: the house always wins.


My take is more optimistic.

I think it will make prototyping and MVP more accessible to a wider range of people than before. This goes all the way from people who don't know how to code up to people who know very well how to code, but don't have the free time/energy to pursue every idea.

Project activation energy decreases. I think this is a net positive, as it allows more and different things to be started. I'm sure some think it's a net negative for the same reasons. If you're a developer selling the same knowledge and capacity you sold ten years ago things will change. But that was always the case.

My comparison to iOS was about the market opportunity, and the opportunity for entrepreneurship. It's not magic, not yet anyway. This is the time to go start a company, or build every weird idea that you were never going to get around to.

There are so many opportunities to create software and companies, we're not running out of those just because it's faster to generate some of the code.


What you just said seems reasonable. However, what the earlier commenter said, which led to this subthread, seems unreasonable: those people unwilling to try the tools "are absolutely going to get left in the dust."

Returning to the iOS analogy, though, there was only a short period of time in history when a random developer with a flashlight or fart app could become successful in the App Store. Nowadays, such a new app would flop, if Apple even allowed it, as you admitted: "You can still start as an iOS developer today, but the opportunity is different." The software market in general is not new. There are already a huge number of competitors. Thus, when you say, "This is the time to go start a company, or build every weird idea that you were never going to get around to," it's unclear why this would be the case. Perhaps the barrier to entry for competitors has been lowered, yet the competition is as fierce as ever (unlike in the early App Store).

In any case, there's a huge difference between "the barrier to entry has been lowered" and "those who don't use LLMs will be left in the dust". I think the latter is ridiculous.

Where are the original flashlight and fart app developers now? Hopefully they made enough money to last a lifetime, otherwise they're back in the same boat as everyone else.


> In any case, there's a huge difference between "the barrier to entry has been lowered" and "those who don't use LLMs will be left in the dust". I think the latter is ridiculous.

Yeah, it’s a bit incendiary, I just wanted to turn it into a more useful conversation.

I also think it overstates the case, but I do think it’s an opportunity.

It’s not just that the barrier to entry has been lowered (which it has) but that someone with a lot of existing skill can leverage that. Not everyone can bring that to the table, and not everyone who can is doing so. That’s the current advantage (in my opinion, of course).

All that said, I thought the Vision Pro was going to usher in a new era of computing, so I’m not much of a prognosticator.


> it’s a bit incendiary

> I also think it overstates the case

I think it's a mistake to defend and/or "reinterpret" the hype, which is not helping to promote the technology to people who aren't bandwagoners. If anything, it drives them away. It's a red flag.

I wish you would just say to the previous commenter, hey, you appear to be exaggerating, and that's not a good idea.


I didn't read the comment as such a direct analogy. It was more recalling a lesson of history that maybe doesn't repeat but probably will rhyme.

The App Store reshuffled the deck. Some people recognized that and took advantage of the decalcification. Some of them did well.

You've recognized some implications of the reshuffle that's currently underway. Maybe you're right that there's a bias toward the LLM vendors. But among all of it, is there a niche you can exploit?


It doesn’t matter how fast you run if it’s not the correct direction.


Good LLM wielders run in widening circles and get to the goal faster than good old school programmers running in a straight line


I try to avoid LLMs as much as I can in my role as SWE. I'm not ideologically opposed to switching, I just don't have any pressing need.

There are people I work with who are deep in the AI ecosystem and it's obvious what tools they're using It would not be uncharitable in any way to characterize their work as pure slop that doesn't work, buggy, untested adequately, etc.

The moment I start to feel behind I'll gladly start adopting agentic AI tools, but as things stand now, I'm not seeing any pressing need.

Comments like these make me feel like I'm being gaslit.


We are all constantly being gaslit. People have insane amounts of money and prestige riding on this thing paying off in such a comically huge way that it can absolutely not deliver on it in the foreseeable future. Creating a constant pressing sentiment that actually You Are Being Left Behind Get On Now Now Now is the only way they can keep inflating the balloon.

If this stuff was self-evidently as useful as it's being made out to be, there would be no point in constantly trying to pressure, coax and cajole people into it. You don't need to spook people into using things that are useful, they'll do it when it makes sense.

The actual use-case of LLMs is dwarfed by the massive investment bubble it has become, and it's all riding on future gains that are so hugely inflated they will leave a crater that makes the dotcom bubble look like a pothole.


Then where is all this new and amazing software? If LLM can 10x or 100x someones output we should've seen an explosion of great software by now.

One dude with an LLM should be able to write a browser fully capable of browsing the modern web or an OS from scratch in a year, right?


That's a silly bar to ask for.

Chrome took at least a thousand man years i.e. 100 people working for 10 years.

I'm lowballing here: it's likely way, way more.

If ai gives 10x speedup, to reproduce Chrome as it is today would require 1 person working for 100 years, 10 people working for 10 years or 100 people working for 1 year.

Clearly, unrealistic bar to meet.

If you want a concrete example: https://github.com/antirez/flux2.c

Creator of Redis started this project 3 weeks ago and use Claude Code to vibe code this.

It works, it's fast and the code quality is as high as I've ever seen a C code base. Easily 1% percentile of quality.

Look at this one-shotted working implementation of jpeg decoder: https://github.com/antirez/flux2.c/commit/a14b0ff5c3b74c7660...

Now, it takes a skilled person to guide Claude Code to generate this but I have zero doubts that this was done at least 5x-10x faster than Antirez writing the same code by hand.


Ah, right, so it's a "skill issue" when GPT5.3 has no idea what is going on in a private use case.


Literally yes


I still haven’t seen those mythical LLM wielders in the wild. While I’m using tools like curl, jq, cmus, calibre, openbsd,… that has been most certainly created by those old school programmers.


> In the hands of a skilled dev, these things are massive force multipliers.

What do you get from it? Say you produce more, do you get a higher salary?

What I have seen so far is the opposite: if you don't produce more, you risk getting fired.

I am not denying that LLMs make me more productive. Just saying that they don't make me more wealthy. On the other hand, they use a ton of energy at a time where we as a society should probably know better. The way I see it, we are killing the Earth because we produce too much. LLMs help us produce more, why should we be happy?


(Imagine me posting the graph of worker productivity in the US climbing quickly over time while pay remains flat or falls)


Using these tools comes down to basically just writing what you want in a natural language. I don't think it will be a problem to catch up if they need to.


Context management, plan mode versus agent mode, skills vs system prompt, all make a huge difference and all take some time to build intuition around.

Not all that hard to learn, but waiting for things to settle down assumes things are going to settle down. Are they? When?


That these facets of use exist at all are indicative of immature product design.

These are leaked implementation details that the labs are forcing us to know because these are weak, early products and they’re still exploring the design space. The median user doesn’t want to and shouldn’t have to care about details like this.

Future products in this space won’t have them and future users won’t be left in the dust by not learning them today.

Python programmers aren’t left behind by not knowing malloc and free.


Someone will package up all that intuition and skills and I imagine people won't have to do any of these things in future.


You wait for everyone to go broke chasing whatever, and then take their work for your own. It's not that hard to copy and paste.


I only wish I was there when that cocky "skilled dev" is laid off.


They had a public spat with Opencode


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