Ha! This is great. I've been waiting for someone to make this.
Giving an LLM a computer makes it way more powerful, giving it a kubernetes cluster should extend that power much further and naturally fits well with the way LLMs work.
I think this abstraction can scale for a good long while. Past this what do you give the agent? Control of a whole Data Center I guess.
I'm not sure if it will replace openclaw all together since kubernetes is kind of niche and scary to a lot of people. But I bet for the most sophisticated builders this will become quite popular, and who knows maybe far beyond that cohort too.
Thanks! The "Kubernetes is scary" point is fair, that's why the CLI is designed to feel intuitive even if you've never touched kubectl. There's also a controller agent that manages the whole cluster from plain English.
On "what comes after", I think it's agents managing other agents. An AI SRE that watches load and spins up new agents automatically. The cluster/namespace model was designed with that direction in mind.
And yeah, not trying to replace OpenClaw, different layer.
OpenClaw defines what an agent does, klaw manages where and how many run. Complementary.
I don't like the premise of this game. If you're autistic, don't mask. Live authentically as yourself and find people who love you for who you are.
You'll annoy the hell out of some people, and thats fine. They can find other people to spend time with.
You can probably find a good community where you are, and if not just move to SF which is something like the autism homeland. Being autistic there is valorized and even imitated in sort of amusing ways.
Masking is a kind of hell, living someone else's life. Unmasking and living as yourself feels scary at first but the people who will love you that way can only find you if you live that way.
> If you're autistic, don't mask. Live authentically as yourself and find people who love you for who you are.
No thank you. I very much prefer to remain employed.
I get enough accommodations as it is; society is built on give-and-take and I’ve found a stable medium. My masking is part of that compromise. Without it I would just be entitled.
Masking doesn't (only) mean presenting as 100% neurotypical with the goal of others not even realizing you're autistic. It's also what you call any amount emotional labor you go through, trying to decrease the amount of emotional labor that other people have to expend on dealing with the ways you would, if not masking, approach interactions/tasks/etc differently.
If you imagine neurotypical and autistic as two "languages", then masking is when an autistic person is going to the effort to speak the neurotypical language, so as to remove the burden from neurotypical people of having to parse the autistic language. Most of the time, unless the interaction is very short and one-shot, the autistic person will still come off as speaking the neurotypical language "as a second language" rather than speaking it "fluently"; but it is the lived experience of many autistic people that this is still less disruptive in mixed company than just letting go and going full native autistic and expecting neurotypical people to be the ones to adapt. (Even in SF, a randomly-selected group of people often contains a few people visiting from elsewhere, who have never interacted with [non-masking] autistic people before, and so have never learned to "speak" autistic.)
Which is not to say that it isn't nice to find other autistic people to hang out with, where you can just let your hair down and "speak your native language" together! But it's not like this is something people avoid doing, if they get the chance. It's just that in most places in the world, you're rather unlikely to stumble into groups consisting solely of autistic people. (Except maybe in engineering-led tech companies!)
> If you imagine neurotypical and autistic as two "languages"
This analogy is very analogous. Damian Milton introduced it to academia as the "double empathy problem", and there are a trickle of studies confirming the obvious corollaries of the analogy (e.g. doi:10.1177/1362361320919286 "Autistic peer-to-peer information transfer is highly effective") which are considered surprising by academia because autism (like most psychological conditions) is defined badly:
> Autism is defined clinically by deficits in social communication. It may therefore be expected that autistic people find it difficult to share information with other people.
The other factor to consider: no two autistic people are alike - one doesn't necessarily have the SAME native language as another - they're just both different from neurotypical. (I have a daughter on the spectrum)
Imagine visiting a new planet where every household has it's OWN unique language, most of them at least somewhat different from all the others, but they can mostly all speak passable english - is it easier for you to learn each of their languages, or for them to "mask" and speak to you in english?
For clarity, I am not autistic (as far as I am aware) but I do have personality traits and quirks that absolutely have made my life challenging. As I have gotten older I have learned to mask those traits and it has led to far more success in life. While I still have trouble maintaining relationships, I at least can curate a professional reputation that has granted me benefits.
I am not saying this to claim that those with autism should mask, but I think the advice in this comment could be misinterpreted. While we should all be able to live as authentic selves, the reality is that this comes with trade-offs. We should evaluate those trade-offs independently and determine which of our personality traits are worth masking and which are not.
I'm audhd in real life and I've been unable to get to day 3 in this game after 5 tries. I don't know what that says about me, the spectrum, this way, or the way I live my life, but I think I also don't like the premise much either.
"No matter who you are, no matter what you do, no matter who your audience is: 30 percent will love it, 30 percent will hate it, and 30 percent won't care."
IDK if it says something about me, but my first couple tries at the game I misunderstood what masking was.
I thought when my Masking score went down, it meant I was showing my true colors too much and exposing myself as autistic (to the detriment of my career). Took me a minute to realize it was the opposite.
I strongly agree. Masking is a maladaptive strategy and it's described that way in the literature.
But you do have to figure out who you are and what matters to you. A lot of autistic people spend much of their youth trying to be other people and only really figuring out what they like when they're in their 30s, 40s, or older.
Yikes. I suppose "Just stop masking" is great advice if you're in a highly privilege position where you don't have to worry about losing your job. But that does track with suggesting autistic people "just move to San Francisco," where my crippling disorder is "imitated" in "amusing" ways.
Screw that. There’s nothing inherently good about authenticity. Be yourself when it’s good to be yourself. Don’t when it’s not. Try to change “yourself” when it’s beneficial to do so.
I first learned that it was possible to intentionally act "normal" when I was 12 (I'm now 47). So I spent a lot of years studying people to figure out how to do those things they did automatically but I had to do manually.
Later I learned it's called masking and a lot of people like yourself think of it as bad.
But it made my life immeasurably better.
I hated how I acted and how people reacted to me when I was young.
I wouldn't even know how to turn off the "masking behavior" now and I never would have become who I am without it.
Maybe it's because I was young and didn't know any other people like me but I don't think labelling this survival technique as hell is right for everybody.
That's an interesting take. Most humans have a viscerally negative reaction to unmasked autistic behaviours, in the same way they might react to a strange spider. A mix of fear and disgust. You quite literally cannot build a life for yourself without masking unless you're already financially independent. Once you have enough power and F-U money, sure, go for it. In the meantime it's not really a realistic solution.
In the context of this game world, that circumstance manifests as the player getting fired from their job. Perhaps a person would like to keep their job and so does things they otherwise wouldn't like to do.
> If you're autistic, don't mask. Live authentically as yourself and find people who love you for who you are.
What does “masking” mean to you? Because when I search for autistic masking I get a really wide range of behaviors from suppressing physical rocking to attempting to learn social skills.
Some masking might be counterproductive or even harmful. Some of the stuff I’m finding listed as masking is just basic being an adult stuff, though. If “don’t mask” means “don’t try to improve yourself” then it’s terrible advice.
I have aspergers (not sure the term is even used anymore) and eye contact is very uncomfortable, but I try to do it (or fake, it as I have to wear glasses and can take them off) because in day to day life not having eye contact when having a conversation is seen as rude and the last thing I want is for everyone that I have a one time conversation with to think I'm rude.
> believing it isn’t corrosive to sell one’s time and dignity for survival
It's possible to survive without doing that - start your own business.
It's just tremendously more work to come up with a good and working business plan, and to find a funding source to help actualize that plan, when you're too good to "sell your time and dignity" to at least get seed money.
I don't get this mindset that the whole idea of working for someone else is degrading. Working for someone else is outsourcing a very tough part of business -- the strategy and funding -- to someone else. In exchange for this turnkey arrangement, you receive far less money than would a sole proprietor who managed to hatch the idea and deliver the same value on their own, successfully, but you also make far more money than the (zero or negative $) you would in the 90% likely scenario where your business fails.
Nobody is being forced to work for others -- but to get money you do have to provide value worth paying for to someone. Extreme self-sufficiency, owing nothing to anyone, is also an option -- you can get a loan and buy a few acres of farmland for less than a car and do your own thing there.
Agreed - I find I have very little creativity / vision (maybe too hard on my ideas), so I prefer to work hard for someone else, and let them get a ton of $$ in exchange for generally steady work and a pretty good life, all things considered.
If you run your own business, you just have customers (and investors) instead of a boss. That still requires just as much social skill to navigate that relationship and the goals are often less clear.
I like the point you are making about being able to structure your own workplace and engage with the world on your own terms however.
I haven't run a business in a while but when I did I found I was actually more comfortable because the interactions are typically more scriptable and the dynamics are clearer than when you're dealing with peer employees. When you're dealing with customers, you're interfacing on behalf of the business and can adopt a 'business' persona while speaking about things you are expert in. Often you deal with people in bursts and don't need to interact with any given individual too often; with peers it's a lot more vague and confusing, and you're with them basically all the time for years so it's much more exhausting.
I think the key is not "going cross-eyed" as much as it is relaxing your focus until the images merge. If you intentionally cross your eyes, it hurts. If you de-focus/relax your eyes until the images merge, it doesn't hurt.
That's more for traditional "magic eye" pattern stereograms where you want to relax your eyes to look off into the middle distance behind the subject instead of intensely focusing on something unnaturally close to your face.
i had the same thing where best i could get when i relaxed was a narrow merge, and when i crossed my focus was too close to my face to be helpful, plus strain.
sudden clicked after fully crossing 5 or 6 times and then relaxing and was able to hold the "3rd image" very easily. felt like magic, even hardest difficulty was obvious
For me it just does not work right now. Maybe I have bad eyesight, I wear glasses and am past 40. I believe I was able to do this trick in past though. At the very least on psychedelics (various kinds). This also made me able to relax my eyes more, wheras I normally have too much pressure on them according to optician.
There is a funny parallel I see with Kubernetes that I also saw a lot with Linux in the early years. There are thousands of packages and tools you can install on Linux (think phpmyadmin for example) and new users sometimes go wild installing every single package they read about.
After a while, the more mature Linux engineers start going the other way. Ripping out as much as possible. Stripping down to the leanest build they can, for performance but also to reduce attack surface and overall complexity.
Very similar dynamic with k8s. Early days are often about scooping up every CNCF project like you're on a shopping spree. Eventually people get to shipping slim clusters running and 30mb containers with alpine or nix. Using it essentially as open source clustering for Linux.
Building using LFS has been on my list of "I really should probably do that just to learn" for about 20 years now. I'll get around to it! This year I'm finally learning Lisp (and really enjoying it).
If you'd done that 20 years ago, we'd been on the same page :)
Though back then, I learnt well from Gentoo by setting the system up from stage 1, which was a good knowledge to keep when trying to fix things such as handling partitions in single user mode or modprobe'ing to detect hardware and such.
If you can't do anything beyond relying on GUI, you could get stuck real fast.
For sure. It's been amazing honestly and I feel like it has really accelerated my learning. Enough that I'm trying to get really serious about making the most out of this new leverage seemingly out of nowhere.
I use it a lot for mapping out of the initial concepts but I find one of the best use cases is after understanding the basics, explaining where I need to learn more and asking for a book recommendation. The quality of my reading list has gone up 10x this way and I find myself working through multiple books a week.
Great for code too obviously, though still feels like early days there to me.
Really cool idea. Novel, I imagine a lot of people would play this. I would suggest a social media campaign with short form videos. Seems like something that has the potential to go viral or at least make a lot of money.
It's not a public market so nobody knows how much you're making if you sell, but if you look at current valuations it must be a lot.
In that context, it would be quite hard not to leave and sell or stay and sell. What if oai loses the lead? What if open source wins? Keeping the stock seems like the actual hard thing to me and I expect to see many others leave (like early googlers or Facebook employees)
Sure it's worth more if you hang on to it, but many think "how many hundreds of M's do I actually need? Better to derisk and sell"
Giving an LLM a computer makes it way more powerful, giving it a kubernetes cluster should extend that power much further and naturally fits well with the way LLMs work.
I think this abstraction can scale for a good long while. Past this what do you give the agent? Control of a whole Data Center I guess.
I'm not sure if it will replace openclaw all together since kubernetes is kind of niche and scary to a lot of people. But I bet for the most sophisticated builders this will become quite popular, and who knows maybe far beyond that cohort too.
Congrats on the launch!
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