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What about dangerous thoughts or opinions that run against government interests? That seems rather dangerous as well, don't you think?

And conveniently, international airports "count" as "border zones" for the supposed "100-mile border zone" exception

Can't speak for the "standard American perspective," but no, you should not have to show identification. Why should someone need to be tracked to travel? Why does a ticket need to be associated to identity?

I'm not stating that they should be. I first want to make sure this is not just a question of the "Real ID". I can think of a couple of reasons that would throw a wrench in the works:

- passengers on no-fly lists or criminals

- anyone who is underage -- do we let 10 year-olds fly alone? how do you assess age without ID? what if the child gets lost while traveling, and you can't even determine whether the child boarded their flight or not? (if you attach ID to the ticket, then that just seems like ID with extra steps? I could be missing something)

- baggage claim: if there is no link between ticket and person, what's to stop me from claiming anyone's luggage as my own?

I'm not firmly attached to any of these objections, actually -- and perhaps they're not even issues, because I'm missing something fundamental about the assumption. I admit my personal bias is that "taking a plane = passport" even when traveling domestically (I'm not a US citizen), so I have not thoroughly considered the possibility that "taking a plane = taking a bus".


> anyone who is underage -- do we let 10 year-olds fly alone? how do you assess age without ID?

Most children don't carry ID. And most ID for children doesn't even have a photograph. For travel that doesn't require a passport, you just have to deal with asking the child or their travel companions.

> baggage claim: if there is no link between ticket and person, what's to stop me from claiming anyone's luggage as my own?

I can't recall being challenged as to my identity for any luggage I've picked up from the carousel. This was as true in 1997, when it was the focus of a major motion picture [1], as it is today. Regardless, having possession of the matching luggage receipt for a tag should really be sufficient to pick up a bag.

> I admit my personal bias is that "taking a plane = passport" even when traveling domestically (I'm not a US citizen)

That's a reasonable personal bias, but presuming you're subject to mandatory alien registration and you're eighteen or older, you have a legal requirement to register and carry proof of registration. Citizens are not generally required to be registered with the federal government, or to carry proof of registration or other identity documents; although enough things require a social security number that the vast majority of citizens are registered and enumerated by SSA, and enumeration at birth is the default, but a very small number of citizens manage to be born without a birth certificate being issued.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Heads_in_a_Duffel_Bag


- 2D ID photo vs 3D scan

- ID photo is x years out of date

- old identifying info + new identifying info is more valuable than just old identifying info

- if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it? they can just not collect it, since it doesn't matter.


Neither does a 3D scan like an iPhone. As far as facial recognition better because it has up to date pictures. This has been solved without up to date pictures for years. My phone can - on device recognize my son from the time he was 9 to today at 25. If my phone can do it on device, do you think this is a hard problem on a server farm?

I'm quite perplexed on what point you are trying to make by dying on this hill.

That this does solve some hidden problem? ("if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it?")

That folks should be conditioned to freely provide any data, scan, or biometrics upon request?

When the government says "jump", always ask "how high"?


Yes it’s just as meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera, any bad actor that can access your camera can also access your microphone and you can get a lot more information from a microphone.

> meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera

I don't think anyone ever shared a naked picture taken with a microphone (semi-related: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-bo...). I don't think it's terribly rare to join a meeting not realizing that the camera option was still on (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-...)

It's also not clear what this has to do with the TSA taking pictures at the airport. At this point I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of argument


It’s privacy concern theatre without comprehending how good modern facial recognition is from one photo even when running locally on a modern smart phone. The TSA already knows you are on the airplane regardless.

Just like covering up a camera from a bad actor on a laptop does little good compared to the information that can be gleaned by a microphone - the same with a phone.


Well, the type of people who think otherwise got the nude body scanners stopped back in the day (https://www.wired.com/2013/01/tsa-abandons-nude-scanners/)

Meanwhile it's not clear what it accomplishes to spend time advocating that the slightest pushback on any of this is pointless


Yes and the people who think that vaccines cause autism are now in power trying to kill vaccines…

You are in good faith equating TSA face scans and body scans with vaccination?

While at the same time arguing that they already know you're there, already have your picture from your id, and don't need updated pictures for better facial recognition?


Yes it’s both as illogical and neither is based on facts on the ground

Can you read Chinese? Can you identify what this traffic sign means? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/CN...

What does a sign that says private road, residents and guests only.

How about Japan?

at least, hold or delay you long enough to make you miss your flight.

Countries that are reducing their dependence on the US aren't necessarily going to go right back to the way things were. Decisions are sticky.

Hey, what's wrong with a little breakage every now and again and again and again, as long as it's new and fresh?

It’s neumorphism, mom, and it’s important!

The writing style just has several AI-isms; at this point, I don't want to point them out because people are trying to conceal their usage. It's maybe not as blatant as some examples, but it's off-putting by the first couple paragraphs. Anymore, I lose all interest in reading when I notice it.

I would much, much, much rather read an article with imperfect English and mistakes than an LLM-edited article. At least I can get an idea of your thinking style and true meaning. Just as an example - if you were to use a false friend [1], an LLM may not deal with this well and conceal it, whereas if I notice the mistake, I can follow the thought process back to look up what was originally intended.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_friend


>Disruption to peoples’ lives happens when we have administrations who arbitrarily decide not to enforce the immigration law (e.g. the previous administration).

"US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record"

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o


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